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[*] posted on 21-3-07 at 05:24
The "Lost" Scores


Has anyone ever compiled a list of all the films that Goldsmith was SUPPOSED to score, but had to bow out of? I know of quite a few, but would like to see a complete list.
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[*] posted on 21-3-07 at 18:54
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There isn't any complete list I know of, but you can always look at my list:

http://www.RejectedFilmScores.150m.com/supposedlyrejected.html
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[*] posted on 22-3-07 at 17:37
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That would be fun to see that list.

Something else that would be fun is a compilation album with excerpts from every rejected/unused score by JG.
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[*] posted on 25-3-07 at 04:41


This is the best list I've been able to compile. But I cannot be sure if it's complete.

1966 - Grand Prix - Replaced by Maurice Jarre, due to commitments on "The Sand Pebbles" (replacing Alex North, who got sick)
1968 - Ice Station Zebra - Replaced by Michel Legrand, due to commitments on "Planet of the Apes"
1970 - Beneath the Planet of the Apes - Replaced by Leonard Rosenman, due to commitments on "Patton"
1972 - The Salzburg Connection - Replaced by Bronislau Kaper
1978 - Superman: The Movie - Replaced by John Williams, due to scheduling conflicts
1979 - Escape to Athena - Replaced by Lalo Schifrin, due to script conflicts
1979 - Butch and Sundance: The Early Days - Replaced by Patrick Williams, due to commitments on "Magic"
1980 - Night of the Juggler - Replaced by Artie Kane, due to script conflicts
1981 - Sphinx - Replaced by Michael J.Lewis, due to commitments on "The Final Conflict"
1981 - Looker - Replaced by Barry De Vorzon, due to commitments on "Outland"
1982 - Yes, Giorgio - Replaced by Michael J.Lewis and John Williams
1985 - The Goonies - Replaced by Dave Grusin
1987 - Wall Street - Replaced by Stewart Copeland, due to creative differences with the film's director
1988 - Poltergeist III - Replaced by Joe Renzetti, due to budgetary matters
1992 - Gladiator - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Brad Fiedel
1992 - The Public Eye - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Mark Isham
1993 - Tombstone - Replaced by Bruce Broughton, due to scheduling conflicts
1993 - Swing Kids - Replaced by James Horner
1994 - The Jungle Book - Replaced by Basil Poledouris, due to scheduling conflicts
1994 - Baby's Day Out - Replaced by Bruce Broughton
1995 - Babe - Replaced by Nigel Westlake
1995 - Judge Dredd - Replaced by Alan Silvestri, due to scheduling conflicts, but Goldsmith scored the film's trailer
1995 - Showgirls - Replaced by David A.Stewart & Rena Riffel
1996 - 2 Days in the Valley - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Anthony Marinelli
1996 - Dragonheart - Replaced by Randy Edelman
1997 - Starship Troopers - Replaced by Basil Poledouris
1998 - Lost in Space - Replaced by Bruce Broughton
1998 - Ronin - Replaced by Elia Cmiral, due to commitments on "The 13th Warrior"
1998 - Simon Birch - Replaced by Marc Shaiman
2000 - The Kid - Replaced by Marc Shaiman, due to creative differences with the film's director. Goldsmith recorded some synth mockups
2000 - The Yards - Replaced by Howard Shore
2000 - Reindeer Games - Replaced by Alan Silvestri, but Goldsmith recorded some original demos
2001 - The Mummy Returns - Replaced by Alan Silvestri
2001 - Rat Race - Replaced by John Powell, due to an appendix cirurgy
2001 - Lara Croft: Tomb Raider - Replaced by Graeme Revell, due to appendicitis recovery
2001 - Domestic Disturbance - Replaced by Mark Mancina, due to appendicitis recovery
2001 - Last Orders - Replaced by Paul Grabowsky
2001 - Shipping News - Replaced by Christopher Young
2003 - Timeline - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Brian Tyler. It's been said that Goldsmith wrote 2 scores
2004 - Empire Falls - Replaced by Paul Grabowsky, due to health conditions

I didn't add "The Thing" yet, for I still haven't confirmed the info from IMDB.




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[*] posted on 25-3-07 at 20:21
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Just thought I'd had some tidbits to your list:


1970 - Beneath the Planet of the Apes - Replaced by Leonard Rosenman, due to commitments on "Patton"
Thanks to an someone here who pointed out Goldsmith said he had already started working on the score.

1972 - The Salzburg Connection - Replaced by Bronislau Kaper
As my site points out, most of Kaper's score was rejected, very little left in.

1988 - Poltergeist III - Replaced by Joe Renzetti, due to budgetary matters
A link to YouTube.com in a thread here, has clips from the film with his score in tact.

1994 - The Jungle Book - Replaced by Basil Poledouris, due to scheduling conflicts
Actually, I think Basil was the second, as someone pointed out to me that Bruce Broughton was said he was working on hte score.

1995 - Babe - Replaced by Nigel Westlake
By my list, it was recorded; someone found where he mentioned hte orchestra who did it.

1995 - Judge Dredd - Replaced by Alan Silvestri, due to scheduling conflicts, but Goldsmith scored the film's trailer
Silvestri was the second composer to replace him; the first recorded an unknown amount of score.

1998 - Lost in Space - Replaced by Bruce Broughton
Replacing a score/or being replaced by Mark Isham, who then had his score tossed.

2000 - The Kid - Replaced by Marc Shaiman, due to creative differences with the film's director. Goldsmith recorded some synth mockups
May have some more.

2000 - Reindeer Games - Replaced by Alan Silvestri, but Goldsmith recorded some original demos
From my site:
"Recorded original demos only. It is reported by Dan of soundtrack.net that it sounds like "Rudy". Someone else -- I forget who -- wrote that Jerrald's synth score was still in the first three screenings. Goldsmith quit."

2001 - Rat Race - Replaced by John Powell, due to an appendix cirurgy
Also rejecting Elmer Bernstein's score.

2001 - Lara Croft: Tomb Raider - Replaced by Graeme Revell, due to appendicitis recovery
Michael Kamen was in turned rejected.

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Also add his first score for "Alien".

It Runs In the Family (2003) -- Didn't do it.
Trigger Effect (1996) -- Unknown [James Newton howard.]
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[*] posted on 27-3-07 at 18:05
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From an FSM post:

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1. Picasso at the Lapin Agile (2004) (in production)
2. Empire Falls (2004) (TV) (post-production)
3. Game of Their Lives, The (2004) (post-production)
4. Thunderbirds (2004) (post-production)


1. I think that didn't get made after all.
2. He passed away before it.
3. Rumos he did some themes and that it wasn't his health issues that got him off.
4. Was in talks after Elliot Goldenthal, but was never signed officially.


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Also from an FSM post, it said a Goldsmith Society booklet said he was the first choice to score Psycho III, but didn't do it because of the budget.

[Edited on 27-3-2007 by Justin Boggan]
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[*] posted on 28-3-07 at 11:53


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Originally posted by Wilson Maffetano
This is the best list I've been able to compile. But I cannot be sure if it's complete.

1966 - Grand Prix - Replaced by Maurice Jarre, due to commitments on "The Sand Pebbles" (replacing Alex North, who got sick)
1968 - Ice Station Zebra - Replaced by Michel Legrand, due to commitments on "Planet of the Apes"
1970 - Beneath the Planet of the Apes - Replaced by Leonard Rosenman, due to commitments on "Patton"
1972 - The Salzburg Connection - Replaced by Bronislau Kaper
1978 - Superman: The Movie - Replaced by John Williams, due to scheduling conflicts
1979 - Escape to Athena - Replaced by Lalo Schifrin, due to script conflicts
1979 - Butch and Sundance: The Early Days - Replaced by Patrick Williams, due to commitments on "Magic"
1980 - Night of the Juggler - Replaced by Artie Kane, due to script conflicts
1981 - Sphinx - Replaced by Michael J.Lewis, due to commitments on "The Final Conflict"
1981 - Looker - Replaced by Barry De Vorzon, due to commitments on "Outland"
1982 - Yes, Giorgio - Replaced by Michael J.Lewis and John Williams
1985 - The Goonies - Replaced by Dave Grusin
1987 - Wall Street - Replaced by Stewart Copeland, due to creative differences with the film's director
1988 - Poltergeist III - Replaced by Joe Renzetti, due to budgetary matters
1992 - Gladiator - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Brad Fiedel
1992 - The Public Eye - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Mark Isham
1993 - Tombstone - Replaced by Bruce Broughton, due to scheduling conflicts
1993 - Swing Kids - Replaced by James Horner
1994 - The Jungle Book - Replaced by Basil Poledouris, due to scheduling conflicts
1994 - Baby's Day Out - Replaced by Bruce Broughton
1995 - Babe - Replaced by Nigel Westlake
1995 - Judge Dredd - Replaced by Alan Silvestri, due to scheduling conflicts, but Goldsmith scored the film's trailer
1995 - Showgirls - Replaced by David A.Stewart & Rena Riffel
1996 - 2 Days in the Valley - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Anthony Marinelli
1996 - Dragonheart - Replaced by Randy Edelman
1997 - Starship Troopers - Replaced by Basil Poledouris
1998 - Lost in Space - Replaced by Bruce Broughton
1998 - Ronin - Replaced by Elia Cmiral, due to commitments on "The 13th Warrior"
1998 - Simon Birch - Replaced by Marc Shaiman
2000 - The Kid - Replaced by Marc Shaiman, due to creative differences with the film's director. Goldsmith recorded some synth mockups
2000 - The Yards - Replaced by Howard Shore
2000 - Reindeer Games - Replaced by Alan Silvestri, but Goldsmith recorded some original demos
2001 - The Mummy Returns - Replaced by Alan Silvestri
2001 - Rat Race - Replaced by John Powell, due to an appendix cirurgy
2001 - Lara Croft: Tomb Raider - Replaced by Graeme Revell, due to appendicitis recovery
2001 - Domestic Disturbance - Replaced by Mark Mancina, due to appendicitis recovery
2001 - Last Orders - Replaced by Paul Grabowsky
2001 - Shipping News - Replaced by Christopher Young
2003 - Timeline - Score rejected by the producers and replaced by Brian Tyler. It's been said that Goldsmith wrote 2 scores
2004 - Empire Falls - Replaced by Paul Grabowsky, due to health conditions

I didn't add "The Thing" yet, for I still haven't confirmed the info from IMDB.


Impressive list. Though on Domestic Disturbance JG did demo some music apparently but it was rejected. I think they wanted another Basic Instinct score.




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[*] posted on 28-3-07 at 15:40
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Someone on FSM said he was "days away" from recording DD. I think the likelyhood is that he may have recorded some of it too.

But since I don't know how to reach Alexander Courage, I guess I'll have to ask Joel.
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[*] posted on 29-3-07 at 03:31


Thanks, Justin! I'll update my listings.

Being a Thunderbirds fan myself, it's a shame I've forgotten that Goldsmith dropped out of the film.

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1994 - The Jungle Book - Replaced by Basil Poledouris, due to scheduling conflicts
Actually, I think Basil was the second, as someone pointed out to me that Bruce Broughton was said he was working on hte score.


According to an interview Basil Poledouris had with Paul Andrew Maclean for "Film Score Monthly" magazine:

Paul Andrew MacLean: "How did you come to be involved with THE JUNGLE BOOK ?"
Basil Poledouris: "It was an interesting set of circumstances. Jerry Goldsmith had been set to do it originally, and I think what happened was that JUNGLE BOOK's schedule has been pushed back; the post-production was taking longer than they had anticipated, and Jerry had commitments to another film. So, I suppose I got it by default. That sort of thing happens a lot in Hollywood. Schedules jam-up sometimes"

According to Lucas Kendall, Goldsmith was just coming off of his rushed, three-and-a-half week rescore of THE RIVER WILD, and didn't want to tackle a 90 minute score immediately afterwards that had to be done just as fast.




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Thanks to this post at FSM, which I am just now getting around to posting here, one of these is cleared up:

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According to this interview, when Patrick Read Johnson was still attached as the director of Dragonheart, Jerry Goldsmith personally asked for the job.

Jerry Goldsmith, my favorite composer, shows up at my office. He knocked on my door, my office! He sits down with the script in his hand and says, "Mr. Johnson, I don't have to beg for work in this town. I've got more work than I'll ever need, but now I'm going to beg you to let me do this movie." I almost burst into tears. It was just too much. I said, "Mr. Goldsmith, I would have come to you on my hands and knees when we were ready to go, and the minute they let me make this movie, you're it! I couldn't be happier."

http://movies.ign.com/articles/035/035940p1.html

Unfortunately, when Johnson got dumped, we lost what I think would have been one hell of a Goldsmith score.
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[*] posted on 10-6-07 at 04:19


WOW! What can one say to THAT?!?!
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[*] posted on 10-6-07 at 04:50


That's shocking!



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[*] posted on 10-6-07 at 05:01


What's shocking? The fact that Goldsmith begged to do the film?
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[*] posted on 11-6-07 at 16:31


no, the fact that there was a chance they would have made that movie instead.
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[*] posted on 12-6-07 at 04:43


John...
What's that picture you have below your screen name?
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[*] posted on 12-6-07 at 04:47


BTW...
on that list above, it says that Goldsmith was REPLACED on Starshipt Troopers. I thought that Verhoeven hired GOldsmith for certain pictures, and Poledouris for other types! I don't ever recall(No pun intended!) ever having read that Goldsmith was even considered for ST!
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1995 - Judge Dredd - Replaced by Alan Silvestri, due to scheduling conflicts, but Goldsmith scored the film's trailer
Silvestri was the second composer to replace him; the first recorded an unknown amount of score.

The first composer was David Arnold as far as I know because wasn`t Judge Dredd by the same director who did David Arnold`s film debut Young Americans
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[*] posted on 12-6-07 at 12:33


That one is a mock-Patton, from an episode of Garfield(cat)

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[*] posted on 12-12-07 at 17:44


I've been e-mailing musicians who play on film scores and asking if they played on rejected ones, so I can credit them on my site. While e-mailing one, he informed me of a recorded one by Jerry that is not on my list. I had no idea!

I'm waiting for more detail before I list it. Suffice to say, Mark Mancina sucks.

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[*] posted on 12-12-07 at 18:07


Interesting that a large number of films that Goldsmith was supposed to score ended up being scored by Broughton? I'm assuming on Goldsmith's recommendation?
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[*] posted on 13-12-07 at 13:11


He did recommend him for Tombstone & Lost in Space; maybe for Baby's Day Out as well.

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[*] posted on 13-12-07 at 19:13


He recommended Basil too. Maybe that was a kiss of death for future assignements.



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[*] posted on 12-1-08 at 20:31


Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Goldsmith also in talks to score the 1977 Bond film, "The Spy Who Loved Me" but couldn't because he was doing other projects?
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[*] posted on 25-1-08 at 21:13


I don't know. Interesting.


I couldn't get a reply on the score, so here is hte new mystery score I eluded to above:

"Speed"


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[*] posted on 26-1-08 at 21:05


I read on FSM that he bowed out of "Evan Evans".



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